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Demosthenes
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Ever hear this one?
"You have so much to offer..."
When people say this, I want to say. I don't think you said what you think you just said. I don't say that, but by the end of a longer conversation (on one occurs), they get the meaning of that statement even if I never said it in those words.
Post divorce, I've been and get asked; 'don't you want to find the one'?
My usual response: I already had my 'the one'. Do I get a second?
'But don't you want to find your soul mate?' is usually the next question.
This is where I look at them with an expression that says "seriously"?...and then I say the actual word for emphasis and clarity.
The unspoken truth of things is that far from being confused, people understand exactly what you mean. What they do not understand is why you said it. When I do this, I fail. Yes, you read that right. I fail. I fail to validate their comfortable ideas about how to live one's life. Why do they get mad? I don't lie to them and make them feel accepted and safe for their adherence to the standard life script. I've just made them question themselves far more even as they are asking questions of me.
Some will argue though. They'll start out sweet and sincere, usually. If they tell you you have 'so much to offer' - read that as, you have resources and obvious potential to be a tool/utility/support mechanism to them/some woman. Invariably, the only things I hear about that a woman has to offer me (where marriage and commitment are concerned) are 'comfort', someone to be with/someone with whom to avoid being lonely, and intimacy/sex. Little else is ever mentioned. On occasion, boobs are also mentioned...
She has to bring herself in other words. They prefer to pretend that men don't bring similar things to the table and that somehow, their companionship is worth more to me than mine is to them. Well if that's the case, shove off now. I don't need you.
These people do not realize how hollow and empty they sound as they describe the benefit to my life (of themselves or the woman of which they speak):
"Oh, we/you two would be great together. I/She'd love the fact you already have a home to 'start out in'.
--(I'm in the house I will retire in as far as I am concerned).
"Oh, you'll be going out so much more if you're with me/her. I/She'll make you want to get out of the house!"
--(I BET! And even if I don't want to leave my home, we all know a domestic violence charge or divorce will alter that)
"Oh, your car may not have that many miles on it and yes, it's in great condition, but I/she'll see to it that you don't fall out of fashion. See, that's something else I/she can do for you. I/She won't let you fall behind the times.
--(My car is nearly 8 years old, paid off and very low mileage, but with this new 'great woman' she'll never let me drive an old car and not be 'in fashion'. I have no desire to keep up with the Jones', or anyone else she envies)
Even if they (now) understand their foolishness in talking about 'the one' or 'another soul mate', they still spout these things without even realizing what they are saying.
If all else fails, and there is also a child involved (i.e. a single mother or someone trying to set her up), they will even go so far as to tell you what you have to offer to a child (as a father/father figure). They think they are appealing to your innate desire for family, fellowship and Disney happy endings - along with your personal honor and duty, etc. My response is "I don't want another family. I already had one. I'm not interested in another one. If they push me, and I don;t want to share more, I'll let them know they crossed a line. If I do share, they will still understand that they just crossed a very sacred line. This is usually the point at which they are willing to give up. Further pursuit of anything following this usually means you're dealing with someone who wants to help fix what they perceive is broken, never understanding that this (a broken family) is something they can not begin to understand or repair.
They use the phrase 'you have so much to offer' as if it has something to do with your basic value as a human being. That is the meaning they want you (as a man) to attach to those words. It may even be the meaning they believe they are attaching to those words (at the time). The actual meaning of the words 'you have so much to offer' (when said to a man) is one of utility and financial support.
Whenever I hear the words "You have so much to offer", what I actually hear is "You would make a good slave."
Chairborne :
Intriguing - I haven't heard that line "you have so much to offer" in relation to women yet. I've only been going my own way a short while, and I haven't announced anything - most friends and family assume I'm just taking a little break before I volunteer for another turn as a beta-provider.
But I have heard it before regarding my decision not to have kids. I've known I never wanted 'em, since I first hit puberty. People told me I could make such a great father, that I "have so much to offer" a child. Thing is, I know they're wrong - I'm too lazy and selfish. Maybe that would be a good response to that same question asked about a woman? People want to label men who refuse to provide for a woman as "selfish" - what would be the ramification of just owning the title of selfish and brandishing it proudly?
I've gotten people to drop the "you should have kids" issue by informing them what a negligent father I'd become. I don't care if they judge me for that, but it sure stops them dead in their tracks and ends the conversation decisively.
Ithit :
Yes, yes I do. My value as a partner and mate is not the problem though.
jso :
I refuse to offer without getting something of value in return.
Grenade001 :
At least few of you guys here get asked constantly by family and friends why you aren't married yet and why you haven't had kids yet, AT AGE 21 (you have no idea how annoying this can be). I usually outline how I am a University student and I haven't got the time.
While I make decent coin from night work, I would have to par back my lifestyle in order to buy a house and still have a decent savings rate. One would need to have a bloody lot to offer just to even get some half decent woman nowadays. Personally the cost to benefits ratio doesn't cut it for me and even if there was a nice girl out there, she wouldn't be in my city or even in the country.
Ithit :
It gets vastly more annoying when you pass 30 because they try so much harder.
Northman :
Funny how when i was trying climb myself outta the big hole she dug for me.A lot of woman treated me like something they were trying to scrape of their shoe.Years later i am doing quite well.And those same gals come sniffing around.Ha Ha Fuck you !
It's understandable on their part,they want money.I was so far in debt i had to look up to see zero.Just gals being gals.
Well lets see some examples from seperate special little snowflakes.
1. She pays for credit cards with credit cards
2. She bitches cause the apartment manager said he would start proceedings if she keeped paying her rent late.
3. She can fit her big ass in 200 dollar jeans but not keep her vehicle running.
4. She bitches about lending her car and being in debt because of her do nothing family members.
Etc.Etc.These are all gals i know from my travels or friends of friends. The sad part is they will find somebody to take it all on if they can climb on top of her once in awhile.
Stay strong my friends.Woman are dream killers,they require more financial support than anything you'll ever wanna do.Did you read that young bucks?well read it again.You have dreams,wishes,wants( i hope ) well hook up with princess and watch them all blow away like dead leaves in a cold breeze.Pump and dump.Cash and carry.Whatever gets you by.Careful with the porn it can really mess some people up.You better be using birth control(condoms).YES! every single time.If you use the pull out method (just say no)while she is walking away with your unborn babys all over her,you take her hand and into the shower you go.it makes it all romantic and shit.
Remember you are number one nobody can make you happy except you.Don't trade it all in for someplace to occasionaly keep your dick warm.Lease,rent never buy it's a highly over valued market.
And before i climb down from my box.The single mom part.
You will only be a provider you will never be there father.it may take a few years,but things will change and pretty soon you'll start hearing.You never really loved my kids!.You're not there father! You will be chopped off at the knees on family decisions.
Trust me on that one.Sure there are probably happily ever after out there.But where?
As always gents.Your mileage may vary.
0xNull_Xipher :
First sign to run, lol.
Mr Wombat :
> Oh, you're car may not have that many miles on it and yes, it's in great condition, but I/she'll see to it that you don't fall out of fashion
God damn! Someone actually thinks this is an argument?
Cro-Magnon :
" Run to the hills, run for your life"
alcockell :
I'm 43. I think to women I've known at work of a similar age to me. Maybe it's because I've always worked in IT, and was my cohort the last one through who actually had a sense of accountability?
And techies generally have more of that logical level-headed view?
Ithit :
> 1. She pays for credit cards with credit cards
It's amazing how few people (women tend to be notorious for it) don't understand the concept of debt.
> And techies generally have more of that logical level-headed view?
That's my experience as well in the technical sphere. The female programmers and IT specialists I've known were all responsible while the vast majority outside that field seem to ignore consequence.
alcockell :
Goes to prove that this Userfriendly panel is true - whether male or female, a geek is a geek.
ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000702
T he corollary is this - www.hongkiat.com/blog/dating-geeks/
AKA "how non-geek women see geeks - as walking ATMs, slaves, malleable utilities". FUCK THAT.
ubermensch :
My base rate of pay is 118k. I have my house paid off. I have considerable investments. I look ten years younger than my actual age. I'm reasonably attractive and have done martial arts for over a decade, so I'm no fat body. The only thing going against me is that I am a classic introvert - unless I am drunk, of course. To date, this and my three years of "Red Pill Knowledge" is all that has saved me from being looted.
I know I have a shit load to offer. Not only material wealth. I know that I would be a dedicated and involved father as well.
But I've also been married once before. Thank God there were no children from said marriage. I know what would be in store for me, if I were to change my mind and capitulate to the expectations of society. I know what beastly forms of pain await for men who have made the same mistake as me.
I know what it's like to consider making love to a 12 gauge shotgun, just to end the pain. And this is sans the obligatory family breakdown that is the current scourge of the west. I am pretty sure that I'd be six feet under, if subject to such horror. So much to give. So much to have taken away.
So. Yes. I know how much I have "to offer"; but I also understand the compensation I would receive in return for my "offering".
Hell. On. Earth.
smallbitsoffire :
I'm going to change the meaning of soul mate; a nice bloke who loves good jazz! And yes, I would like find one.
LuckyAustrian :
So much to offer .. and so little i like to give
Grenade001 :
As an introverted young man myself, I always thought it was a curse at how I had to make untold efforts in courtship. Now I see it as a blessing and it has allowed me the opportunity to take on overtime at work and continue to save and invest and make something of my life. I have no doubt that I would have made a good father, following the example my father bestowed onto me. The landscape isn't conductive to a stable, conservative family life and I know I would be in a minority for wanting a more conservative upbringing for my children. I couldn't handle the fact that other men would be hitting on my wife, that I would have to work overtime on my marriage, like I am on notice at work. It is much easier reporting to a manager than it would be to a wife (even my ex-girlfriend was difficult to please).
That is why I am working on myself because that is all that I know I will have permanently. I am in full control of my life, warts and all, and I would not have it any other way. I have wants, dreams and ambitions on where I see myself in ten, twenty years and I am working towards that. Some say that your twenties are your best years obviously never worked hard enough to have the means to enjoy their lives until the grave. I would much rather have the means later than live off scraps in the present (and most likely future).
alcockell :
fter the sexual abuse I suffered at school, i've had to spend 30 years out of time and not inconsiderable effort on me and still have a long way to go with getting weight back down after 3 decades of traumatic eating. Experienced the worst of women back at 13 during the abuse, and with undiagnosed at the time Asperger Syndrome... I didn't stand a chance.
Managed to claw through by the skin of my teeth, could have ended up throwing myself off a local cliff, it was that bad. Almost died from pneumonia, sleep apnea in 2011...
Got my career going though, and am on over 30k pa. Almost got debts sorted as well.
Such a shame that I was derailed at preadolescence, and the legal and moral landscape collapsed to enable the chav contingent who derailed me. Cf Just Four Guys piece about the 1980s SMP.
But at least I was there at the start of the home computing revolution etc.
TheLoneWolfWalker :
When they try to bring up any of those week arguments, I laugh and ask "What if I'm happy being alone?" And they tend to look like someone just smacked em silly.
Ancient Sunlight :
When women tell a man that they'll "find the right one sometime", or that they "have so much to offer", or that they'll make "someone really happy", they are implying that, though you are not good enough for her, some inferior female would be very happy to have you. It's an egregious lie; men keep being told that the girl they like "just isn't the one", but that they'll eventually get "the right one" - thing is, they rarely do!
Chairborne :
Two sides of the same coin;
1. The friendzoned chump being told by the female "You'll meet the right girl one day..."
2. The female telling the single dude "You have so much to offer..."
In the first case, she's maneuvering buddy to retain hope - but stay single and optimistic - so that he can continue doling out courtship rituals and money to either her, or to the young hotties in the sisterhood...
In the second case, she's maneuvering buddy to regain interest - and get hooked up - so that he can dole out surrogate fatherhood and money to an aspiring post-wall dependapotamus in the sisterhood...
Cro-Magnon :
dependapotamus! LOL!
Chairborne :
Can't take credit for Dependapotamus. It's from Terminal Lance, a military humor web cartoon...
The first appearance of the Dependapotamus: terminallance.com/2010/08/06/...ependapotamus/
A recent valentine's gift to deployed troops: terminallance.com/2014/02/14/...-my-valentine /
EternalBachelor :
> You have so much to offer......
Translation:
You have so much that can be confiscated / transferred to "her" by the Family Court System
Mr Wombat :
> It's amazing how few people (women tend to be notorious for it) don't understand the concept of debt.
Debt is when a man pays for your handbag in arrears.
Octavian :
Women do not consider men to be real people.
It's a gender based system of discrimination which would make Apartheid seem charitable.When a man has no woman in his life, its like a thoroughbred horse with race value running free on the prarie. She wants that animal on the track, collecting winnings for her own pocket, before the horse can perform no more and is shot behind the shed.
That is the final reward. A man's crown for remaining faithful, raising a family, and paying for every whim of his master, is a shallow grave and an early death.
To a female, there is no such thing as a casual association, any more then a horse racer would buy a horse for kicks. She only sees how your talents, your abilities, your resources, and your power can be used to further HER ends. I know because I've lived it. I know because as I type this now, a close friend of mine is in a faraway city being ruthelessly exploited by his actress of a wife.
To diverge somewhat, I'll explain that for the past week I've been vacationing in LA. Rooming with my friend down in Venice to save hotel expenses, I got an up close look at the Modern Marriage. In the process I had a chance to pick his wife's brain. Turns out she wanted to move to the LA region since she was a kid (I.e. before she got married), and only made arrangements to move after she locked my friend down. He's now in over his head in debt, paying for his wife to go to film school, in a city where his rent is four figures a month and he can't find work to save his life.
I know how that story's gonna end. That's why when a Persian girl who worked the counter gave me her business card last Tuesday, I threw that fucker in the trash.
ubermensch :
> That's why when a Persian girl who worked the counter gave me her business card last Tuesday, I threw that fucker in the trash.
"That's why when a Persian girl who worked the counter gave me her business card last Tuesday ..."
You could've at least fucked her in the arse first. It's the polite thing to do, after all.
Cro-Magnon :
The general attitude is that if we are single we are ultimately 'depriving' a woman of her ability to self actualise. We are not just living our lives as we see fit - we are stripping a woman of her ability to self actualise. I always end up thinking: "If you need me than act like it, and treat me as an equal" but no even when a woman is on the market she's a victim! Phrases like 'you have so much to offer' I label as the horse whisperer technique, if you fall for it the saddle is remounted and little miss self entitled has her work horse back.
Hobbitnutz :
I never get told this but might have once or twice along with the other canned female statements (not all whimmins are like that, you'll find someone someday, etc) Back before I found manosphere wisdoms I was thinking that I was just a pathetic individual on all accounts for not being able to mate up effortlessly. Always wondering why things were so jacked for me and not for joe shmoe who was pumping and dumping in his sleep.
Now I live waaay below my means and I am proud of the fact that I have nothing to offer a female materially or mentally. Only thing I would genuinely have to offer a gal these days is a cold beer and half a bar tab.
FerrariF1 :
My base rate of pay is 118k. I have my house paid off. I have considerable investments. I look ten years younger than my actual age. I'm reasonably attractive and have done martial arts for over a decade, so I'm no fat body. The only thing going against me is that I am a classic introvert - unless I am drunk, of course. To date, this and my three years of "Red Pill Knowledge" is all that has saved me from being looted.
I know I have a shit load to offer. Not only material wealth. I know that I would be a dedicated and involved father as well.
But I've also been married once before. Thank God there were no children from said marriage. I know what would be in store for me, if I were to change my mind and capitulate to the expectations of society. I know what beastly forms of pain await for men who have made the same mistake as me.
I know what it's like to consider making love to a 12 gauge shotgun, just to end the pain. And this is sans the obligatory family breakdown that is the current scourge of the west. I am pretty sure that I'd be six feet under, if subject to such horror. So much to give. So much to have taken away.
So. Yes. I know how much I have "to offer"; but I also understand the compensation I would receive in return for my "offering".
i am thinking of putting that on a POF profile to see the reactions.
Cro-Magnon :
LOL! BRILLIANT!!! The reaction woul be as follows: "Aw Honey yous just not meet the right 1, why yous sadz"
You should put it up just to see what would happen. Don't use your own picture though.
Eiji :
I've heard several variants of this lie....
"you're such a rare man"... if I'm so "rare", then how come I dont have a small army of women kicking my door in?
"you have so much to offer.." well, then why isn't anyone "buying"??
now that I think of it........ I wonder if women can understand the concept of "unsought goods".......
sam luis obispo :
Gentlemen, aside from the guy who wrote "take her business card and SIIHP" most of you are missing the point.
Avoid divorce. Avoid marriage. Avoid engagement. Avoid cohabitation.
Don't "hire" any woman for the "job" of ex-wife, wife, live in girlfriend, or fiancé. But please take advantage of the women who want to "interview" for position of your new companion, and when they stopped performing, let them go like an "unpaid intern."
Eiji....are you physically repulsive? Flabby? Bad breath? Missing teeth? Or are you average looking but have all the self esteem of a prison punk at first mass shower when the guards are on their coffee break?
Eiji :
any and none of the above, Program.... (since you didn't mention which standard you were using....)
I will say this... I find hypocrisy a major turnoff.... women claim they want men in their lives, but in the same breath they push for rules and legislation that says the exact opposite....
chew on that a bit before you respond, Program....
sam luis obispo :
Do not understand "Program."
Aren't you lumping all women, in all circumstances, all over the world into one, easy to dismiss straw man?
Eiji :
Don't you mean "straw woman"?? *heh*
MGTOW_Master :
"there's someone for everyone!"
Opaque :
'You have so much to offer' is a useless phrase in the modern world. We do not live in the Middle Ages, where 'giving' was considered more of a virtue than 'taking'. In those days, a monk would be respected by the local community for choosing a life of 'offering' where he offers his efforts and endeavours to please christ, in the christian religion.
Nowadays, when people talking about offering, they mean you give without anything in return. Not only that, you probably get laughed at behind your back. The amount of time cunts say shit like 'he is such a nice guy, and so helpful and kind but he is more of a friend' what she means is that she sexually disgusted by you but would love your pay check!
This is why I keep repeating on this very forum that, men need to set boundaries when it comes to 'giving' and 'taking' with women. Otherwise, you'll be taking her out to nice dinners while she fucks chad/tyrone back home.
Eiji :
> 'You have so much to offer' is a useless phrase in the modern world.
its so useless.. I think it should be outlawed from the language....
Demosthenes :
> its so useless.. I think it should be outlawed from the language....
No. That's just as bad as someone claiming something is hate speech. Hate speech does not exist.
'Outlawing' such a phrase is extreme and pointless. There's enough pathetic PC culture to dismantle already without banning more words and phrases
Eiji :
I just see no profit in having words that have outlived their usefulness.....
GregBO :
I just love hearing that phrase, immediately followed up with: "I would like to introduce you to my girlfriend and her two/three/one/four children."
Exit stage Right.
Demosthenes :
> I just see no profit in having words that have outlived their usefulness.....
Annnnd... Opinions Vary.
The problem is, who gets to decide which words are to be outLAWed.
As we consistently see, the elites love to have a set of rules for themselves, and a set of rules for everyone else.
I refuse to have 'banned speech'. Banning speech isn't free speech after all.
I may not agree with the words one uses, let alone what they say, but I believe in their right to say it.
sam luis obispo :
The best way to respond to "fix-ups" is to accept them, go on the date, and when it is time to pay the bill...."go Dutch." It is the ultimate, and most efficient shit test. The reaction will tell you everything you need to know about her. If she makes a fuss, she is a selective feminist. Is she pays her way, and there is a second date, you have found a unicorn.
Eiji :
> The best way to respond to "fix-ups" is to accept them, go on the date, and when it is time to pay the bill...."go Dutch."
wouldn't even go that far... not until I clear up the matter of it being questionable under the Fifth's "due process" clause....
jxpqvb :
> My response is "I don't want another family. I already had one. I'm not interested in another one.
hear hear. If family life is so much fun then why don't I ever do any of that bullsh*t when I have a choice?
Another thing that helps is paying attention to men complaining about their wives. Hardly a week goes by without them having to clean up some mess the wife has gotten into or some event the wife demands they attend. Fuck ALL of that. I fell for that shit once before; no desire whatsoever to repeat it.
BrainPilot :
1) I DO NOT OWE anyone a relationship on the terms demanded by available women, and enforced by the family court system.
2) What I may, or may not, have to 'offer' has no impact on #1.
Mrkoolkat5249 :
Yep yep and YEP. Brilliant post and positively brilliant responses gents! Couldn't agree more. Bros before hoes.
Kryptic :
I notice it with men who have kids even more. One married guy I work with who is in his late 40's just had his first kid! This guy will be in his late 60's by the time that kid might move out! They were planning on adopting one as well but about a year after they had the kid he got severe bronchitis which really fucked him up. He is still suffering the effects of it.
Anyway, a lot of their time is spent looking after their kids especially when they get sick. Then no matter how hard you might try, what if they become druggies or thugs, fall in with the wrong people etc That becomes your problem too. I find it hard enough to just look after myself! I'm tired.
sam luis obispo :
> I just love hearing that phrase, immediately followed up with: "I would like to introduce you to my girlfriend and her two/three/one/four children."
> Exit stage Right.
When they try to fix you up with a single mother, you can answer with:
"I do not get involved with single mothers. I would never dream of interfering with the children's relationship with their father.
Mr Wombat :
> "you have so much to offer.."
Try: "I know, which is why I am holding out for a quality woman. No kids. No tattoos. Not fat."
Three oh-so-simple requirements, that knock out %99 of all of today's women. For the remainder:
mgtower :
I have so much to offer!
That's why I'm here offering what I have to offer, but certainly not what they want me to offer!
sam luis obispo :
> Try: "I know, which is why I am holding out for a quality woman. No kids. No tattoos. Not fat."
> Three oh-so-simple requirements, that knock out %99 of all of today's women. For the remainder:
TrackingPanda :
Yeah, i get asked that question from time to time, Christmas is coming around now so i might get it again at some family gathering.
I just ask them to sell it to me, the idea of having a wife (lol). As a guy (pre-30yo) who has his shit together as in my house paid, car paid fully, investments going on. and a job on the side where i can basically do whatever i want (timewise) as long as i keep my customers happy, It's hard for me to even talk to wumen lately.
Not because of a 'scared, limited mindset' but more from a mindset of what will they possibly bring to my live except a headache, high blood pressure, an early stroke and more trouble (kids, mental baggage, debt). Sex is for sale so we can scratch that off the list, and unless they match what ''iM oFfEriNg'' - I'm choosing to opt out completely.
mgtower :
> Fit, feminine, friendly, cooperative, submissive
Those demands will drive any indoctrinated woman into a seething rage laced with eternal revenge! Talk about painting a target on your back? Those words are modern taboo! They'll make a mangina tremble with fear!
Those kind of words are only spoken here!
Those Feminazis over at the SLPC (that monitor us) are snapping pencils and tearing out their hair as you speak!
Originally Posted by TrackingPanda
Yeah, i get asked that question from time to time, Christmas is coming around now so i might get it again at some family gathering.
I just ask them to sell it to me, the idea of having a wife (lol). As a guy (pre-30yo) who has his shit together as in my house paid, car paid fully, investments going on. and a job on the side where i can basically do whatever i want (timewise) as long as i keep my customers happy, It's hard for me to even talk to wumen lately.
Not because of a 'scared, limited mindset' but more from a mindset of what will they possibly bring to my live except a headache, high blood pressure, an early stroke and more trouble (kids, mental baggage, debt). Sex is for sale so we can scratch that off the list, and unless they match what ''iM oFfEriNg'' - I'm choosing to opt out completely."
A wise man uses logic and assessments derived from the world around him.
A fool has his head in the whirlwinds of emotional strife from overexposure to estrogen, female manipulation, and female consideration, try to make friends with a cougar, the cougar will maul whomever is friendly.
They will bring to your life what a spike-strip will bring to your tires!
No matter how great the man, they will make him feel like there's better and that he's expendable, this is proven, the greatest of men that have been divorce raped for their kids, their fortunes, and their lives destroyed, they once-upon-a-time unfortunately treasured.
This society and it's laws are not conducive to man and woman partnerships, the woman is granted advantage far superior to her actual worth and input, like giving a dishwasher the same pay as a Doctor.
OwenWentFullMGTOW :
> Ever hear this one?
> "You have so much to offer..."
I've heard this one many times.
Women tend to be solipsists. When it comes to dating/pair bonding/marriage, they only consider the value proposition that a man offers to a woman. And ideally a single mom. Because after all, we've got to build a better beta, don't we?
When a woman says "you have so much to offer", the part she's not saying is "to me" or, lacking that, to some other woman. She's not complimenting your achievements, your goals, your drive or your ambitions. Rather, she's observing that you've accumulated many resources and she's also lamenting the fact that you won't allow a woman to extract them from you.
In a sense, this is totally understandable. Historically, boy meets girl, boy and girl get married and boy provides raw resources which the girl then puts to use. For example, the man buys a house; the woman turns it into a home. The man gives her a baby; the woman creates a family. That model (call it "the patriarchy" if that helps you) functioned well for centuries and reached its apex in the Fifties.
And in their lizard brains, women still possess that essential instinct to refine a man's raw resources into something that can sustain them after their youth, beauty and fertility have faded. When women see those resources "going to waste" (i.e., not benefiting a woman and her bastard children), that is cause for mourning. It's also cause for guilt-tripping the man for not allowing himself to be used as some dried up single mom's retirement plan.
When someone says this, it's best to hide your power. Unmasking yourself as fully MGTOW is probably the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Instead, I usually say "I know, I'm a pretty decent catch. I'm just waiting for my soul mate. You know, the perfect woman."
This remark is very triggering to women. Because only they are allowed to be hypergamous. So, their natural reply will be "Maybe you need to lower your standards". If they say that, I usually come back with "Did you lower your standards when you married your husband?"
It's an unanswerable question. If she says yes, she's creating a problem for herself. But if she says no, she can't very well hold your high standards against you. It's a rhetorical double-bind that leaves her helpless
sam luis obispo :
This post is brilliant. It lays bare the problem and give us practical advice.
The underlying problem is that a huge cohort of Baby Boomer and Gen X women are approaching old age and retirement without either a retirement plan or the $2.5 million that they will need to support themselves when they wont/cant work the last 20 years of their lives. And by "retirement plan," I mean a husband. Tradcon men work themselves to death for a wife, die 7-10 years before she does, and leaves her a paid off house, a life insurance plan, survivor benefits on his Social Security and pension, and cash in the bank.
Every man that marries and stays married takes another woman off the welfare rolls for the least productive phase of her life: the last 20 years she does not work and pay taxes, nor produces new tax payers.
Why do you think Family Courts financially attack the successful middle age man so viciously? Not only to ensure that the ex wife does not become a financial burden to the tax payer after 60, but to make him an example to other men, to ensure that the man does not have resources that he will "squander" on a younger woman, or worse, on himself. The state views older women as a product that the consumer cannot return. "No bring backs!" Once you take her off the state's hands, they do not want her back.
The Flea and Tick Union wants to ban the sale of flea collars. When that is the motivation for the shaming language against single men and the punishment of any man who wants to return the defective merchandise to the manufacturer. To take this metaphor a little further, in the 1970s and 80s, GM, Ford, and Chevy did not react to competition from better cars from Japan by building more reliable cars, but by questioning the customers' 'patriotism.'
I'd like you to Google the name Betty Broderick. She is the avatar for society and the state's desire to punish any man that backs out of the commitment to provide a lifetime of support to a woman. If a man broke into a home in the middle of the night, disabled the phone so the inhabitants cannot call for help, and shot two people in their bed in cold blood, he would be given the death penalty. This woman did this in 1989, and was only sentenced to 32 years. She is still in alive and getting parole hearings, although she cannot even pretend to be remorseful before parole board members, continuing to justify her actions.
If Asian countries are worried about "leftover women," they are terrified of the prospects "leftover grannies" who have no children or grandchildren to support them and outlive two generations of tax payers.
BeenThereDoneThat :
> When someone says this, it's best to hide your power. Unmasking yourself as fully MGTOW is probably the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Instead, I usually say "I know, > I'm a pretty decent catch. I'm just waiting for my soul mate. You know, the perfect woman."
> This remark is very triggering to women. Because only they are allowed to be hypergamous. So, their natural reply will be "Maybe you need to lower your standards". If they say that, I usually come back with "Did you lower your standards when you married your husband?"
Dam that's a great observation. I used to wonder why a line such as "I'm just waiting to find my perfect soulmate" usually brought bewildered looks. Well now I see the truth is I as less than a billionaire alpha dog have no right to have standards.. I should have proceeded down the chutes to the slaughterhouse with the rest of the sub prime beef..
On the positive side, they usually gave up after this response. After churning this through their little brains for awhile, they likely just concluded I'm hopeless and went back to easier projects..
Ever hear this one?
"You have so much to offer..."
When people say this, I want to say. I don't think you said what you think you just said. I don't say that, but by the end of a longer conversation (on one occurs), they get the meaning of that statement even if I never said it in those words.
Post divorce, I've been and get asked; 'don't you want to find the one'?
My usual response: I already had my 'the one'. Do I get a second?
'But don't you want to find your soul mate?' is usually the next question.
This is where I look at them with an expression that says "seriously"?...and then I say the actual word for emphasis and clarity.
The unspoken truth of things is that far from being confused, people understand exactly what you mean. What they do not understand is why you said it. When I do this, I fail. Yes, you read that right. I fail. I fail to validate their comfortable ideas about how to live one's life. Why do they get mad? I don't lie to them and make them feel accepted and safe for their adherence to the standard life script. I've just made them question themselves far more even as they are asking questions of me.
Some will argue though. They'll start out sweet and sincere, usually. If they tell you you have 'so much to offer' - read that as, you have resources and obvious potential to be a tool/utility/support mechanism to them/some woman. Invariably, the only things I hear about that a woman has to offer me (where marriage and commitment are concerned) are 'comfort', someone to be with/someone with whom to avoid being lonely, and intimacy/sex. Little else is ever mentioned. On occasion, boobs are also mentioned...
She has to bring herself in other words. They prefer to pretend that men don't bring similar things to the table and that somehow, their companionship is worth more to me than mine is to them. Well if that's the case, shove off now. I don't need you.
These people do not realize how hollow and empty they sound as they describe the benefit to my life (of themselves or the woman of which they speak):
"Oh, we/you two would be great together. I/She'd love the fact you already have a home to 'start out in'.
--(I'm in the house I will retire in as far as I am concerned).
"Oh, you'll be going out so much more if you're with me/her. I/She'll make you want to get out of the house!"
--(I BET! And even if I don't want to leave my home, we all know a domestic violence charge or divorce will alter that)
"Oh, your car may not have that many miles on it and yes, it's in great condition, but I/she'll see to it that you don't fall out of fashion. See, that's something else I/she can do for you. I/She won't let you fall behind the times.
--(My car is nearly 8 years old, paid off and very low mileage, but with this new 'great woman' she'll never let me drive an old car and not be 'in fashion'. I have no desire to keep up with the Jones', or anyone else she envies)
Even if they (now) understand their foolishness in talking about 'the one' or 'another soul mate', they still spout these things without even realizing what they are saying.
If all else fails, and there is also a child involved (i.e. a single mother or someone trying to set her up), they will even go so far as to tell you what you have to offer to a child (as a father/father figure). They think they are appealing to your innate desire for family, fellowship and Disney happy endings - along with your personal honor and duty, etc. My response is "I don't want another family. I already had one. I'm not interested in another one. If they push me, and I don;t want to share more, I'll let them know they crossed a line. If I do share, they will still understand that they just crossed a very sacred line. This is usually the point at which they are willing to give up. Further pursuit of anything following this usually means you're dealing with someone who wants to help fix what they perceive is broken, never understanding that this (a broken family) is something they can not begin to understand or repair.
They use the phrase 'you have so much to offer' as if it has something to do with your basic value as a human being. That is the meaning they want you (as a man) to attach to those words. It may even be the meaning they believe they are attaching to those words (at the time). The actual meaning of the words 'you have so much to offer' (when said to a man) is one of utility and financial support.
Whenever I hear the words "You have so much to offer", what I actually hear is "You would make a good slave."
Chairborne :
Intriguing - I haven't heard that line "you have so much to offer" in relation to women yet. I've only been going my own way a short while, and I haven't announced anything - most friends and family assume I'm just taking a little break before I volunteer for another turn as a beta-provider.
But I have heard it before regarding my decision not to have kids. I've known I never wanted 'em, since I first hit puberty. People told me I could make such a great father, that I "have so much to offer" a child. Thing is, I know they're wrong - I'm too lazy and selfish. Maybe that would be a good response to that same question asked about a woman? People want to label men who refuse to provide for a woman as "selfish" - what would be the ramification of just owning the title of selfish and brandishing it proudly?
I've gotten people to drop the "you should have kids" issue by informing them what a negligent father I'd become. I don't care if they judge me for that, but it sure stops them dead in their tracks and ends the conversation decisively.
Ithit :
Yes, yes I do. My value as a partner and mate is not the problem though.
jso :
I refuse to offer without getting something of value in return.
Grenade001 :
At least few of you guys here get asked constantly by family and friends why you aren't married yet and why you haven't had kids yet, AT AGE 21 (you have no idea how annoying this can be). I usually outline how I am a University student and I haven't got the time.
While I make decent coin from night work, I would have to par back my lifestyle in order to buy a house and still have a decent savings rate. One would need to have a bloody lot to offer just to even get some half decent woman nowadays. Personally the cost to benefits ratio doesn't cut it for me and even if there was a nice girl out there, she wouldn't be in my city or even in the country.
Ithit :
It gets vastly more annoying when you pass 30 because they try so much harder.
Northman :
Funny how when i was trying climb myself outta the big hole she dug for me.A lot of woman treated me like something they were trying to scrape of their shoe.Years later i am doing quite well.And those same gals come sniffing around.Ha Ha Fuck you !
It's understandable on their part,they want money.I was so far in debt i had to look up to see zero.Just gals being gals.
Well lets see some examples from seperate special little snowflakes.
1. She pays for credit cards with credit cards
2. She bitches cause the apartment manager said he would start proceedings if she keeped paying her rent late.
3. She can fit her big ass in 200 dollar jeans but not keep her vehicle running.
4. She bitches about lending her car and being in debt because of her do nothing family members.
Etc.Etc.These are all gals i know from my travels or friends of friends. The sad part is they will find somebody to take it all on if they can climb on top of her once in awhile.
Stay strong my friends.Woman are dream killers,they require more financial support than anything you'll ever wanna do.Did you read that young bucks?well read it again.You have dreams,wishes,wants( i hope ) well hook up with princess and watch them all blow away like dead leaves in a cold breeze.Pump and dump.Cash and carry.Whatever gets you by.Careful with the porn it can really mess some people up.You better be using birth control(condoms).YES! every single time.If you use the pull out method (just say no)while she is walking away with your unborn babys all over her,you take her hand and into the shower you go.it makes it all romantic and shit.
Remember you are number one nobody can make you happy except you.Don't trade it all in for someplace to occasionaly keep your dick warm.Lease,rent never buy it's a highly over valued market.
And before i climb down from my box.The single mom part.
You will only be a provider you will never be there father.it may take a few years,but things will change and pretty soon you'll start hearing.You never really loved my kids!.You're not there father! You will be chopped off at the knees on family decisions.
Trust me on that one.Sure there are probably happily ever after out there.But where?
As always gents.Your mileage may vary.
0xNull_Xipher :
First sign to run, lol.
Mr Wombat :
> Oh, you're car may not have that many miles on it and yes, it's in great condition, but I/she'll see to it that you don't fall out of fashion
God damn! Someone actually thinks this is an argument?
Cro-Magnon :
" Run to the hills, run for your life"
alcockell :
I'm 43. I think to women I've known at work of a similar age to me. Maybe it's because I've always worked in IT, and was my cohort the last one through who actually had a sense of accountability?
And techies generally have more of that logical level-headed view?
Ithit :
> 1. She pays for credit cards with credit cards
It's amazing how few people (women tend to be notorious for it) don't understand the concept of debt.
> And techies generally have more of that logical level-headed view?
That's my experience as well in the technical sphere. The female programmers and IT specialists I've known were all responsible while the vast majority outside that field seem to ignore consequence.
alcockell :
Goes to prove that this Userfriendly panel is true - whether male or female, a geek is a geek.
ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000702
T he corollary is this - www.hongkiat.com/blog/dating-geeks/
AKA "how non-geek women see geeks - as walking ATMs, slaves, malleable utilities". FUCK THAT.
ubermensch :
My base rate of pay is 118k. I have my house paid off. I have considerable investments. I look ten years younger than my actual age. I'm reasonably attractive and have done martial arts for over a decade, so I'm no fat body. The only thing going against me is that I am a classic introvert - unless I am drunk, of course. To date, this and my three years of "Red Pill Knowledge" is all that has saved me from being looted.
I know I have a shit load to offer. Not only material wealth. I know that I would be a dedicated and involved father as well.
But I've also been married once before. Thank God there were no children from said marriage. I know what would be in store for me, if I were to change my mind and capitulate to the expectations of society. I know what beastly forms of pain await for men who have made the same mistake as me.
I know what it's like to consider making love to a 12 gauge shotgun, just to end the pain. And this is sans the obligatory family breakdown that is the current scourge of the west. I am pretty sure that I'd be six feet under, if subject to such horror. So much to give. So much to have taken away.
So. Yes. I know how much I have "to offer"; but I also understand the compensation I would receive in return for my "offering".
Hell. On. Earth.
smallbitsoffire :
I'm going to change the meaning of soul mate; a nice bloke who loves good jazz! And yes, I would like find one.
LuckyAustrian :
So much to offer .. and so little i like to give
Grenade001 :
As an introverted young man myself, I always thought it was a curse at how I had to make untold efforts in courtship. Now I see it as a blessing and it has allowed me the opportunity to take on overtime at work and continue to save and invest and make something of my life. I have no doubt that I would have made a good father, following the example my father bestowed onto me. The landscape isn't conductive to a stable, conservative family life and I know I would be in a minority for wanting a more conservative upbringing for my children. I couldn't handle the fact that other men would be hitting on my wife, that I would have to work overtime on my marriage, like I am on notice at work. It is much easier reporting to a manager than it would be to a wife (even my ex-girlfriend was difficult to please).
That is why I am working on myself because that is all that I know I will have permanently. I am in full control of my life, warts and all, and I would not have it any other way. I have wants, dreams and ambitions on where I see myself in ten, twenty years and I am working towards that. Some say that your twenties are your best years obviously never worked hard enough to have the means to enjoy their lives until the grave. I would much rather have the means later than live off scraps in the present (and most likely future).
alcockell :
fter the sexual abuse I suffered at school, i've had to spend 30 years out of time and not inconsiderable effort on me and still have a long way to go with getting weight back down after 3 decades of traumatic eating. Experienced the worst of women back at 13 during the abuse, and with undiagnosed at the time Asperger Syndrome... I didn't stand a chance.
Managed to claw through by the skin of my teeth, could have ended up throwing myself off a local cliff, it was that bad. Almost died from pneumonia, sleep apnea in 2011...
Got my career going though, and am on over 30k pa. Almost got debts sorted as well.
Such a shame that I was derailed at preadolescence, and the legal and moral landscape collapsed to enable the chav contingent who derailed me. Cf Just Four Guys piece about the 1980s SMP.
But at least I was there at the start of the home computing revolution etc.
TheLoneWolfWalker :
When they try to bring up any of those week arguments, I laugh and ask "What if I'm happy being alone?" And they tend to look like someone just smacked em silly.
Ancient Sunlight :
When women tell a man that they'll "find the right one sometime", or that they "have so much to offer", or that they'll make "someone really happy", they are implying that, though you are not good enough for her, some inferior female would be very happy to have you. It's an egregious lie; men keep being told that the girl they like "just isn't the one", but that they'll eventually get "the right one" - thing is, they rarely do!
Chairborne :
Two sides of the same coin;
1. The friendzoned chump being told by the female "You'll meet the right girl one day..."
2. The female telling the single dude "You have so much to offer..."
In the first case, she's maneuvering buddy to retain hope - but stay single and optimistic - so that he can continue doling out courtship rituals and money to either her, or to the young hotties in the sisterhood...
In the second case, she's maneuvering buddy to regain interest - and get hooked up - so that he can dole out surrogate fatherhood and money to an aspiring post-wall dependapotamus in the sisterhood...
Cro-Magnon :
dependapotamus! LOL!
Chairborne :
Can't take credit for Dependapotamus. It's from Terminal Lance, a military humor web cartoon...
The first appearance of the Dependapotamus: terminallance.com/2010/08/06/...ependapotamus/
A recent valentine's gift to deployed troops: terminallance.com/2014/02/14/...-my-valentine /
EternalBachelor :
> You have so much to offer......
Translation:
You have so much that can be confiscated / transferred to "her" by the Family Court System
Mr Wombat :
> It's amazing how few people (women tend to be notorious for it) don't understand the concept of debt.
Debt is when a man pays for your handbag in arrears.
Octavian :
Women do not consider men to be real people.
It's a gender based system of discrimination which would make Apartheid seem charitable.When a man has no woman in his life, its like a thoroughbred horse with race value running free on the prarie. She wants that animal on the track, collecting winnings for her own pocket, before the horse can perform no more and is shot behind the shed.
That is the final reward. A man's crown for remaining faithful, raising a family, and paying for every whim of his master, is a shallow grave and an early death.
To a female, there is no such thing as a casual association, any more then a horse racer would buy a horse for kicks. She only sees how your talents, your abilities, your resources, and your power can be used to further HER ends. I know because I've lived it. I know because as I type this now, a close friend of mine is in a faraway city being ruthelessly exploited by his actress of a wife.
To diverge somewhat, I'll explain that for the past week I've been vacationing in LA. Rooming with my friend down in Venice to save hotel expenses, I got an up close look at the Modern Marriage. In the process I had a chance to pick his wife's brain. Turns out she wanted to move to the LA region since she was a kid (I.e. before she got married), and only made arrangements to move after she locked my friend down. He's now in over his head in debt, paying for his wife to go to film school, in a city where his rent is four figures a month and he can't find work to save his life.
I know how that story's gonna end. That's why when a Persian girl who worked the counter gave me her business card last Tuesday, I threw that fucker in the trash.
ubermensch :
> That's why when a Persian girl who worked the counter gave me her business card last Tuesday, I threw that fucker in the trash.
"That's why when a Persian girl who worked the counter gave me her business card last Tuesday ..."
You could've at least fucked her in the arse first. It's the polite thing to do, after all.
Cro-Magnon :
The general attitude is that if we are single we are ultimately 'depriving' a woman of her ability to self actualise. We are not just living our lives as we see fit - we are stripping a woman of her ability to self actualise. I always end up thinking: "If you need me than act like it, and treat me as an equal" but no even when a woman is on the market she's a victim! Phrases like 'you have so much to offer' I label as the horse whisperer technique, if you fall for it the saddle is remounted and little miss self entitled has her work horse back.
Hobbitnutz :
I never get told this but might have once or twice along with the other canned female statements (not all whimmins are like that, you'll find someone someday, etc) Back before I found manosphere wisdoms I was thinking that I was just a pathetic individual on all accounts for not being able to mate up effortlessly. Always wondering why things were so jacked for me and not for joe shmoe who was pumping and dumping in his sleep.
Now I live waaay below my means and I am proud of the fact that I have nothing to offer a female materially or mentally. Only thing I would genuinely have to offer a gal these days is a cold beer and half a bar tab.
FerrariF1 :
My base rate of pay is 118k. I have my house paid off. I have considerable investments. I look ten years younger than my actual age. I'm reasonably attractive and have done martial arts for over a decade, so I'm no fat body. The only thing going against me is that I am a classic introvert - unless I am drunk, of course. To date, this and my three years of "Red Pill Knowledge" is all that has saved me from being looted.
I know I have a shit load to offer. Not only material wealth. I know that I would be a dedicated and involved father as well.
But I've also been married once before. Thank God there were no children from said marriage. I know what would be in store for me, if I were to change my mind and capitulate to the expectations of society. I know what beastly forms of pain await for men who have made the same mistake as me.
I know what it's like to consider making love to a 12 gauge shotgun, just to end the pain. And this is sans the obligatory family breakdown that is the current scourge of the west. I am pretty sure that I'd be six feet under, if subject to such horror. So much to give. So much to have taken away.
So. Yes. I know how much I have "to offer"; but I also understand the compensation I would receive in return for my "offering".
i am thinking of putting that on a POF profile to see the reactions.
Cro-Magnon :
LOL! BRILLIANT!!! The reaction woul be as follows: "Aw Honey yous just not meet the right 1, why yous sadz"
You should put it up just to see what would happen. Don't use your own picture though.
Eiji :
I've heard several variants of this lie....
"you're such a rare man"... if I'm so "rare", then how come I dont have a small army of women kicking my door in?
"you have so much to offer.." well, then why isn't anyone "buying"??
now that I think of it........ I wonder if women can understand the concept of "unsought goods".......
sam luis obispo :
Gentlemen, aside from the guy who wrote "take her business card and SIIHP" most of you are missing the point.
Avoid divorce. Avoid marriage. Avoid engagement. Avoid cohabitation.
Don't "hire" any woman for the "job" of ex-wife, wife, live in girlfriend, or fiancé. But please take advantage of the women who want to "interview" for position of your new companion, and when they stopped performing, let them go like an "unpaid intern."
Eiji....are you physically repulsive? Flabby? Bad breath? Missing teeth? Or are you average looking but have all the self esteem of a prison punk at first mass shower when the guards are on their coffee break?
Eiji :
any and none of the above, Program.... (since you didn't mention which standard you were using....)
I will say this... I find hypocrisy a major turnoff.... women claim they want men in their lives, but in the same breath they push for rules and legislation that says the exact opposite....
chew on that a bit before you respond, Program....
sam luis obispo :
Do not understand "Program."
Aren't you lumping all women, in all circumstances, all over the world into one, easy to dismiss straw man?
Eiji :
Don't you mean "straw woman"?? *heh*
MGTOW_Master :
"there's someone for everyone!"
Opaque :
'You have so much to offer' is a useless phrase in the modern world. We do not live in the Middle Ages, where 'giving' was considered more of a virtue than 'taking'. In those days, a monk would be respected by the local community for choosing a life of 'offering' where he offers his efforts and endeavours to please christ, in the christian religion.
Nowadays, when people talking about offering, they mean you give without anything in return. Not only that, you probably get laughed at behind your back. The amount of time cunts say shit like 'he is such a nice guy, and so helpful and kind but he is more of a friend' what she means is that she sexually disgusted by you but would love your pay check!
This is why I keep repeating on this very forum that, men need to set boundaries when it comes to 'giving' and 'taking' with women. Otherwise, you'll be taking her out to nice dinners while she fucks chad/tyrone back home.
Eiji :
> 'You have so much to offer' is a useless phrase in the modern world.
its so useless.. I think it should be outlawed from the language....
Demosthenes :
> its so useless.. I think it should be outlawed from the language....
No. That's just as bad as someone claiming something is hate speech. Hate speech does not exist.
'Outlawing' such a phrase is extreme and pointless. There's enough pathetic PC culture to dismantle already without banning more words and phrases
Eiji :
I just see no profit in having words that have outlived their usefulness.....
GregBO :
I just love hearing that phrase, immediately followed up with: "I would like to introduce you to my girlfriend and her two/three/one/four children."
Exit stage Right.
Demosthenes :
> I just see no profit in having words that have outlived their usefulness.....
Annnnd... Opinions Vary.
The problem is, who gets to decide which words are to be outLAWed.
As we consistently see, the elites love to have a set of rules for themselves, and a set of rules for everyone else.
I refuse to have 'banned speech'. Banning speech isn't free speech after all.
I may not agree with the words one uses, let alone what they say, but I believe in their right to say it.
sam luis obispo :
The best way to respond to "fix-ups" is to accept them, go on the date, and when it is time to pay the bill...."go Dutch." It is the ultimate, and most efficient shit test. The reaction will tell you everything you need to know about her. If she makes a fuss, she is a selective feminist. Is she pays her way, and there is a second date, you have found a unicorn.
Eiji :
> The best way to respond to "fix-ups" is to accept them, go on the date, and when it is time to pay the bill...."go Dutch."
wouldn't even go that far... not until I clear up the matter of it being questionable under the Fifth's "due process" clause....
jxpqvb :
> My response is "I don't want another family. I already had one. I'm not interested in another one.
hear hear. If family life is so much fun then why don't I ever do any of that bullsh*t when I have a choice?
Another thing that helps is paying attention to men complaining about their wives. Hardly a week goes by without them having to clean up some mess the wife has gotten into or some event the wife demands they attend. Fuck ALL of that. I fell for that shit once before; no desire whatsoever to repeat it.
BrainPilot :
1) I DO NOT OWE anyone a relationship on the terms demanded by available women, and enforced by the family court system.
2) What I may, or may not, have to 'offer' has no impact on #1.
Mrkoolkat5249 :
Yep yep and YEP. Brilliant post and positively brilliant responses gents! Couldn't agree more. Bros before hoes.
Kryptic :
I notice it with men who have kids even more. One married guy I work with who is in his late 40's just had his first kid! This guy will be in his late 60's by the time that kid might move out! They were planning on adopting one as well but about a year after they had the kid he got severe bronchitis which really fucked him up. He is still suffering the effects of it.
Anyway, a lot of their time is spent looking after their kids especially when they get sick. Then no matter how hard you might try, what if they become druggies or thugs, fall in with the wrong people etc That becomes your problem too. I find it hard enough to just look after myself! I'm tired.
sam luis obispo :
> I just love hearing that phrase, immediately followed up with: "I would like to introduce you to my girlfriend and her two/three/one/four children."
> Exit stage Right.
When they try to fix you up with a single mother, you can answer with:
"I do not get involved with single mothers. I would never dream of interfering with the children's relationship with their father.
Mr Wombat :
> "you have so much to offer.."
Try: "I know, which is why I am holding out for a quality woman. No kids. No tattoos. Not fat."
Three oh-so-simple requirements, that knock out %99 of all of today's women. For the remainder:
- Either has decent job or can keep house.
- Not in debt.
- Not mentally ill - eg: needing therapy, on psych meds.
- Not chronically ill - eg: seriously allergic to common foods
mgtower :
I have so much to offer!
That's why I'm here offering what I have to offer, but certainly not what they want me to offer!
sam luis obispo :
> Try: "I know, which is why I am holding out for a quality woman. No kids. No tattoos. Not fat."
> Three oh-so-simple requirements, that knock out %99 of all of today's women. For the remainder:
- Either has decent job or can keep house.
- Not in debt.
- Not mentally ill - eg: needing therapy, on psych meds.
- Not chronically ill - eg: seriously allergic to common foods.
TrackingPanda :
Yeah, i get asked that question from time to time, Christmas is coming around now so i might get it again at some family gathering.
I just ask them to sell it to me, the idea of having a wife (lol). As a guy (pre-30yo) who has his shit together as in my house paid, car paid fully, investments going on. and a job on the side where i can basically do whatever i want (timewise) as long as i keep my customers happy, It's hard for me to even talk to wumen lately.
Not because of a 'scared, limited mindset' but more from a mindset of what will they possibly bring to my live except a headache, high blood pressure, an early stroke and more trouble (kids, mental baggage, debt). Sex is for sale so we can scratch that off the list, and unless they match what ''iM oFfEriNg'' - I'm choosing to opt out completely.
mgtower :
> Fit, feminine, friendly, cooperative, submissive
Those demands will drive any indoctrinated woman into a seething rage laced with eternal revenge! Talk about painting a target on your back? Those words are modern taboo! They'll make a mangina tremble with fear!
Those kind of words are only spoken here!
Those Feminazis over at the SLPC (that monitor us) are snapping pencils and tearing out their hair as you speak!
Yeah, i get asked that question from time to time, Christmas is coming around now so i might get it again at some family gathering.
I just ask them to sell it to me, the idea of having a wife (lol). As a guy (pre-30yo) who has his shit together as in my house paid, car paid fully, investments going on. and a job on the side where i can basically do whatever i want (timewise) as long as i keep my customers happy, It's hard for me to even talk to wumen lately.
Not because of a 'scared, limited mindset' but more from a mindset of what will they possibly bring to my live except a headache, high blood pressure, an early stroke and more trouble (kids, mental baggage, debt). Sex is for sale so we can scratch that off the list, and unless they match what ''iM oFfEriNg'' - I'm choosing to opt out completely."
A wise man uses logic and assessments derived from the world around him.
A fool has his head in the whirlwinds of emotional strife from overexposure to estrogen, female manipulation, and female consideration, try to make friends with a cougar, the cougar will maul whomever is friendly.
They will bring to your life what a spike-strip will bring to your tires!
No matter how great the man, they will make him feel like there's better and that he's expendable, this is proven, the greatest of men that have been divorce raped for their kids, their fortunes, and their lives destroyed, they once-upon-a-time unfortunately treasured.
This society and it's laws are not conducive to man and woman partnerships, the woman is granted advantage far superior to her actual worth and input, like giving a dishwasher the same pay as a Doctor.
OwenWentFullMGTOW :
> Ever hear this one?
> "You have so much to offer..."
I've heard this one many times.
Women tend to be solipsists. When it comes to dating/pair bonding/marriage, they only consider the value proposition that a man offers to a woman. And ideally a single mom. Because after all, we've got to build a better beta, don't we?
When a woman says "you have so much to offer", the part she's not saying is "to me" or, lacking that, to some other woman. She's not complimenting your achievements, your goals, your drive or your ambitions. Rather, she's observing that you've accumulated many resources and she's also lamenting the fact that you won't allow a woman to extract them from you.
In a sense, this is totally understandable. Historically, boy meets girl, boy and girl get married and boy provides raw resources which the girl then puts to use. For example, the man buys a house; the woman turns it into a home. The man gives her a baby; the woman creates a family. That model (call it "the patriarchy" if that helps you) functioned well for centuries and reached its apex in the Fifties.
And in their lizard brains, women still possess that essential instinct to refine a man's raw resources into something that can sustain them after their youth, beauty and fertility have faded. When women see those resources "going to waste" (i.e., not benefiting a woman and her bastard children), that is cause for mourning. It's also cause for guilt-tripping the man for not allowing himself to be used as some dried up single mom's retirement plan.
When someone says this, it's best to hide your power. Unmasking yourself as fully MGTOW is probably the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Instead, I usually say "I know, I'm a pretty decent catch. I'm just waiting for my soul mate. You know, the perfect woman."
This remark is very triggering to women. Because only they are allowed to be hypergamous. So, their natural reply will be "Maybe you need to lower your standards". If they say that, I usually come back with "Did you lower your standards when you married your husband?"
It's an unanswerable question. If she says yes, she's creating a problem for herself. But if she says no, she can't very well hold your high standards against you. It's a rhetorical double-bind that leaves her helpless
sam luis obispo :
This post is brilliant. It lays bare the problem and give us practical advice.
The underlying problem is that a huge cohort of Baby Boomer and Gen X women are approaching old age and retirement without either a retirement plan or the $2.5 million that they will need to support themselves when they wont/cant work the last 20 years of their lives. And by "retirement plan," I mean a husband. Tradcon men work themselves to death for a wife, die 7-10 years before she does, and leaves her a paid off house, a life insurance plan, survivor benefits on his Social Security and pension, and cash in the bank.
Every man that marries and stays married takes another woman off the welfare rolls for the least productive phase of her life: the last 20 years she does not work and pay taxes, nor produces new tax payers.
Why do you think Family Courts financially attack the successful middle age man so viciously? Not only to ensure that the ex wife does not become a financial burden to the tax payer after 60, but to make him an example to other men, to ensure that the man does not have resources that he will "squander" on a younger woman, or worse, on himself. The state views older women as a product that the consumer cannot return. "No bring backs!" Once you take her off the state's hands, they do not want her back.
The Flea and Tick Union wants to ban the sale of flea collars. When that is the motivation for the shaming language against single men and the punishment of any man who wants to return the defective merchandise to the manufacturer. To take this metaphor a little further, in the 1970s and 80s, GM, Ford, and Chevy did not react to competition from better cars from Japan by building more reliable cars, but by questioning the customers' 'patriotism.'
I'd like you to Google the name Betty Broderick. She is the avatar for society and the state's desire to punish any man that backs out of the commitment to provide a lifetime of support to a woman. If a man broke into a home in the middle of the night, disabled the phone so the inhabitants cannot call for help, and shot two people in their bed in cold blood, he would be given the death penalty. This woman did this in 1989, and was only sentenced to 32 years. She is still in alive and getting parole hearings, although she cannot even pretend to be remorseful before parole board members, continuing to justify her actions.
If Asian countries are worried about "leftover women," they are terrified of the prospects "leftover grannies" who have no children or grandchildren to support them and outlive two generations of tax payers.
BeenThereDoneThat :
> When someone says this, it's best to hide your power. Unmasking yourself as fully MGTOW is probably the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Instead, I usually say "I know, > I'm a pretty decent catch. I'm just waiting for my soul mate. You know, the perfect woman."
> This remark is very triggering to women. Because only they are allowed to be hypergamous. So, their natural reply will be "Maybe you need to lower your standards". If they say that, I usually come back with "Did you lower your standards when you married your husband?"
Dam that's a great observation. I used to wonder why a line such as "I'm just waiting to find my perfect soulmate" usually brought bewildered looks. Well now I see the truth is I as less than a billionaire alpha dog have no right to have standards.. I should have proceeded down the chutes to the slaughterhouse with the rest of the sub prime beef..
On the positive side, they usually gave up after this response. After churning this through their little brains for awhile, they likely just concluded I'm hopeless and went back to easier projects..
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