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Matt Foley
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I love these open ended questions. So here's one.
When did you realize that everything you were told about women was a lie? What was the event that caused you to realize that women didn't ever want good, respectable, decent men?
Grenade001 :
When I had to read up on PUA to try and understand women
phonebook :
Dating a Christian woman with the mistaken assumption that I would find a NAWALT in the Christian crowd. Boy was I wrong.
jso :
there was no sudden moment of realization. I questioned authority around the time I finished surviving my teenage years. I've never had any real life male role models or father figures of any kind. opposing female tyranny was just another piece of the puzzle, but it's a piece that came into focus when I started reading manosphere blogs.
mr.anonymous :
My story seems to be mentioned by other's experiences here.
I knew for a very long time something was very, very wrong.
While I approached life with an innocence and naiveté when I was young , I quickly sensed that it was a trait that would lead to severe consequences. Women didn't just dislike it, it invoked a primal rage within them I couldn't understand. The only thing similar I can equate it with it is how a rabid dog smells fear or weakness on a potential human victim. If it smells fear it goes straight into an enraged vicious state.
Well, if you approach a woman with altruistic ambitions, deep within her brain is this very same reaction.
I've experienced the ones from the churches. They were the most damaged and self centered. The most intolerant are the ones that consider themselves "Liberals or Progressives". Of course there were the ones that went through abuse. Then the spoiled ones that got their way because their fathers didn't have the slightest idea what to do with their insanity.... I've found some dewsies....
I guess it was actually watching my own female relatives, being the fly on the wall. Understanding that there was no trust whatsoever. If a man told them something in confidence, rest assured it could practically be on a billboard within minutes.
The Running Man :
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Originally Posted by Grenade001
> When I had to read up on PUA to try and understand women
Same here. I was virtually 'gameless' throughout my twenties. Any success I had was more a result of my pretty face and reserved, shy behaviour which women mistook for arrogance and indifference (which is what they are ACTUALLY attracted to). When I started learning from (the good) PUAs and understanding female behaviour, I somehow liked them less and less. I still wanted to have sex and date them, but somehow my belief in romantic love and building a family disappeared along the way as I learned more and more about a woman's primitive nature and its ugly side. Modern young women were doing very little to hide it or control it so they made it very easy for me to disengage from the dating scene and walk away from the idea of marriage.
Grenade001 :
I'm still in my twenties and I can say that I am "gameless" to an extent. Most of what the PUA's talk about (not supplicating and generally keeping your dignity) I did naturally without a second thought. I think my "lack of game" would be a result of my highly logical thought processes and training to be an economist, one tries to create a formula that explains how and why a particular outcome occurs. When I tried to figure out an effective way to bed girls, it was an exhausting period in my life, luckily one that didn't involve too much pain. I genuinely believe that most people get laid by accident, I have seen couples where the two were completely mismatched looks wise, in a few cases the girl could have easily gotten much better (overseas of course), in most cases the guy should have had his man card revoked for being seen with a ham beast in public.
But the funny thing is that with certain types of girls in certain places, I don't need to "game" or do anything, just almost turn up and be myself. This happens overseas and with Chinese girls almost exclusively back home, lately since I've been growing my moustache I have been getting a lot more looks but nothing too substantial yet.
At home, I might as well be Mr. Invisible to the girls around here. Don't think I am too upset about this, basically equals to a zero stress life which allows me to enjoy life's pleasures as well as have the ability to put some solid hours of work into my job/uni/etc.
TL;DR. Going overseas and seeing feminine women, being brought up the hypergamy scale, is a turning point.
Ithit :
> When did you realize that everything you were told about women was a lie?
> What was the event that caused you to realize that women didn't ever want good, respectable, decent men?
There has been no such event. I know enough women that are fine human beings who got together with good men and treat them well to feel that "everything" is a lie. It may be the case that AWALT, and in my experience an uncomfortable majority most certainly are (which is why I go my own way). But all women? That's not my experience thus far. However, I most certainly recognize that society as a whole encourages AWALT, and I'm extremely cautious because of it.
I think it's important not to become so jaded by the red pill that one becomes a true misogynist. Healthy distrust is fine, but it shouldn't draw one into full scale hatred.
livas :
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Originally Posted by mr.anonymous
> I knew for a very long time something was very, very wrong.
Exactly
>
Originally Posted by mr.anonymous
> if you approach a woman with altruistic ambitions, deep within her brain is this very same reaction
Interesting point
>
Originally Posted by Ithit
> I know enough women that are fine human beings who got together with good men and treat them well...It may be the case that AWALT...
You missed the point!
It is not important whether awalt or not...
What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society are putting them on a "privileged pedestal"
I call it "The license to bitch & nag" which in the long run is far more deadlier than the one to kill
phonebook :
Man, the church women! The born-again ones are not very subtle, and neither are the "liberals/progressives". Those ones are relatively easy to avoid. But the ones who have practiced for a long time have put on the NAWALT mask on from day one. Either that, or it may be because their traditional upbringing may have kept their hypergamous instincts in check somewhat. But in either case, it's just a matter of extent of how AWALT they are. In the eyes of society, I'm seen as a potential beta provider, seeing as, I've had a trad religious upbringing as well, and did more or less what was expected of me. I'd imagine that the traditional women do look out for potential providers a little earlier than most other types of women. It is then easy for them to say "hey look I've been loyal to this guy from day one" in order to insinuate that she is supposedly a woman of moral quality. And they are always nice and sweet at first. I think on the old board, somebody once termed them "scouts".
In the events leading to our break-up, it was crazy how much it looked like my God-fearing ex hated me. She'd just look at me as though she thought I was the most pathetic person that ought to be wiped off the face of the planet. I detected something was very wrong, but I just kept doing the wrong thing and bought things for her, because I still had that idea in my head that she wasn't like that at all, that there really should not be any way she would hate me for all the things I've done for her. That there was no way she would give in to her more primitive and vicious side. She'd never say "I hate you", she'd just take her present without so much of a thank-you and run out the door, literally, giving some half-assed excuse about some urgent "church activity". Meanwhile I was sat there in the restaurant watching her run out, like a chump. Years later, she's pregnant with some thug. Pretty big turning point, huh?
I'm not really interested in women anymore. I don't see a point. As stardusk once termed it, I have "intellectually induced asexuality". This is how I look back at my innocence and naivete:
BeijaFlor :
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Originally Posted by livas
> It is not important whether awalt or not...
> What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society puts them on a "privileged pedestal."
Exactly so.
Let me put it a little more dramatically:
How many empty cylinders in the revolver would be enough to get you to agree to play Russian roulette?
(As far as I'm concerned, you could empty them ALL and I'm still going to say no.)
Every woman in the Western world, no matter how "civilized," no matter how sincere, no matter who she is or how she acts, has the guns of Government at her beck and call. Any of 'em CAN re-cast Saturday night's drunken spree, by way of Sunday's hung-over remorse, into Monday's rape charge. Any of 'em CAN "Oops" you into being her baby-daddy, and you are on the hook unless you can prove you weren't the daddy - and a DNA test requires her cooperation, at least to the extent of allowing YOUR doctor (matter of trust here) to take the cheek-swab sample. Any of 'em CAN get Hubby kicked out of house and home, by calling the "City's Finest" and saying, "I'm afraid of him." Any of 'em CAN hack off your willy in a fit of drunken rage, and the world will laugh at you on The Talk.
Not saying they will. Just saying they have the power, and the means, and the tacit approval of Society, if they do.
Matt Foley :
For me, it was after my ex-wife and I separated and I did a little online dating. Of the 5 women I went out with, every one of them claimed that their exes were abusive and/or drug addicts. By the end of the dates, it was clear that there was no mutual interest. I discovered MGTOW not too long after that.
I've considered learning some game and using it to get my needs met, but honestly, escorts seem to be way less of a hassle.
livas :
Ithit :
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Originally Posted by livas
> You missed the point!
Then the point wasn't clear. I answered the question that was asked as I see it. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what the point was?
>
Originally Posted by livas
> It is not important whether awalt or not...
> What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society are putting them on a "privileged pedestal"
No offense, but that reminds me somewhat of the thought process behind the "all men are rapists" mantra.
Octavian :
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Originally Posted by Matt Foley
> I love these open ended questions. So here's one.
> When did you realize that everything you were told about women was a lie?
> What was the event that caused you to realize that women didn't ever want good, respectable, decent men?
I met a latin girl, sharp as a tack. Had the whole package, and I figured with my experience in PUA in one of America's largest cities, I could handle her indefinitely with my superior intellect and skill.
Six months later, I was in a fight for my life. Understand that I've had to draw my gun in self defense before, and that horrible experience is nothing compared to the day to day psychological warfare a man must fight when he's with a woman. Every day had me questioning my sanity. Every hour with her was a power struggle. I felt like I was fighting an enemy I couldn't see, couldnt hit, and couldn't dodge. The scene with Morpheus where Agent Smith kicks his ass is a video summation of my last relationshackle. No matter how much I cared, how much I tried to see past the lies and the emotional bullshit, there she was-with an emotional fist waiting for my face. There was no rest, no recovery. Just constant war, and addictive sex.
After extricating myself from that disaster, I realized two things. One, my intel was WRONG. I was missing a very important piece of the puzzle, somewhere, and sought to find it. I then scoured academic and print literature for info on women, and discovered the second thing; after reading Esther Villar, "Sperm Wars", and other publications on the subject, I realized most women aren't even sentient . They're biological versions of a shell company laundering drug money. Lots of lights, shiny marble ,and polished glass-but its all bullshit hiding more bullshit. There's so much bullshit in a woman's life you'd need a team of Feds and a million dollar labor budget just to document one woman's lies, to herself and others.
That's when I realized where the exit signs were, and made an immediate use of them.
Ancient Sunlight :
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Originally Posted by Ithit
> No offense, but that reminds me somewhat of the thought process behind the "all men are rapists" mantra.
Allow me to attempt to phrase it differently once more. You have your lovely NAWALT; a woman who appears to be a good human being, who fits you, who you enjoy being with. Now where are you going to go? Marriage is the almost inevitable answer. Meanwhile, every possible falsehood, delusion and confusion is fed to your NAWALT by the films she watches, the books she reads, the shows she watches, the news stories she reads, her friends and family, naive young men.. By nearly everyone, in fact. Perhaps she changes, as nearly all women do when they get married. Perhaps it'll end one day. And you are married - meaning you lose everything.
When you marry a woman you are almost literally betting your life; and the odds are not with you. It is holding a grenade and hoping it doesn't explode when you pull the pin; it is playing Russian roulette; it is a lottery with few prices.
BeijaFlor :
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Originally Posted by livas
> What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society are putting them on a "privileged pedestal"
>
Originally Posted by Ithit
> No offense, but that reminds me somewhat of the thought process behind the "all men are rapists" mantra.
I won't take offense at it, but I will point this out:
If you look at the actual crime statistics, you find that rape is rare (under 85,000 reported in the USA in 2012, according to FBI).
If you look at the actual divorce records, you find that divorce is depressingly common (about 2 million a year in the USA).
I don't say "AWALT" to shame women as a class. I say it to warn men, as individuals.
NOTE TO ALL: There's a reading list in the "MGTOW 101" sub-forum in The Lounge. Those of us who choose to expound the NAWALT dogma ... well, you might want to read some of those books.
juicemoney :
Here is my long-winded response to the OP's question:
After my last relationship I took stock of what everybody else suggested/commented/inserted their own bullshit opinion. The popular culture that pervades our society is full of subtle messages and opinions that can alter your decision making and values. None of this helped my personal situation or made me feel any better. I travelled quite a bit and started to read more. Finally, I stepped back and saw the same slow motion catastrophe I experienced occurring with a lot of other people. I had always been a skeptic but I finally accepted a simple truth: The vast majority of what you are told is not for your own benefit.
After a few late nights scouring the internet I "woke up" from this sociocultural haze of nonsense. It is especially difficult to take a macro view of the surroundings when I mingle with people my own age. The average mid 20s person today is a fucking idiot with little perspective outside of their own narcissistic existence. This can be applied to most people and that's when I realized that the majority of people don't have an informed opinion about anything but are more than happy to force their ignorant views down your throat.
I find this information is a lot more simple to understand and easier to digest when you apply simple economics as a context or framework. Dating, careers, education, finance and misandry make a lot more sense to me in terms of supply and demand. It is a cold way to view things but I have always been a logical and somewhat impersonal type with a dash of cynicism. The end of my last relationship awakened me not just from institutionalized misandry but from a lot of other BS I accepted from people and society. This point of view doesn't just apply to women; society has a vast array of institutions and resources in place to keep individuals as beta sheep and prevent them from reaching their own potential. It made me take stock of where I am versus where I want to be. As a whole our governments and money are corrupt, our values and morals have eroded and mediocrity has become mainstream. The Western Empire is on the decline, flawed views in the average woman is only one small indicator. Since the dawn of civilization man has sought to fulfill his greed and centralize power, why should things be so different now?
While I may sound condescending, I try to reserve judgement and not be a full on elitist. There is a lot of good to be found in some people once you can dig past all the bullshit. The problem is that society has made the bullshit matter. While difficult, I think that there can be a balance between full-bore elitism and being part of the sheeple.
History has shown that a contrarian point of view is often a key component of success; it seems that is the case especially when women or money are involved. Now I am finding it easier to figure out my own mission and vision in life; the last difficult leap is going from theory to practice.
GabrielKnight :
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Originally Posted by Ithit
> I think it's important not to become so jaded by the red pill that one becomes a true misogynist. Healthy distrust is fine, but it shouldn't draw one into full scale hatred.
I think that maybe you still don´t fully understand the effect our society has on most women. First of all, there is a sense of entitlement that the majority of women share. And while not all women share that sense of entitlement to the same extend, they all have that feeling that they "deserve" certain things, just because they are women. These can be very small things like for example a woman asking you to fix her laptop or carry something from the basement into her apartement and the border is very often blurred. But almost every woman, even the most mild-mannered and understanding and "man-loving" female will have that special something that she feels entitled to, just because she is a woman and you are the man. This can be a very different thing depending on the woman. Sharpen your senses and observe women very closely and you will find those little things in almost every woman.
Now, you could say "But maybe not EVERY woman has this sense of entitlement, no matter how minor it might be! Oh and you are just paranoid!" And maybe you are right about that. But think about this: Our ancestors lived in the wilderness where every movement of the grass and the leaves could mean that there is a predator stalking you. Now you have two options: Run away or ignore the movement because you can´t know for sure that there really is a predator. In the first case, if you run away and there is a predator, you have just saved your life. If there is no predator, you have just wasted some precious calories but you can balance that out later. At least you are alive to eat food. If you stay and there is no predator, that would be ideal because you didn´t waste energy. But if you stay and there is a predator, you are dead. When you think about the odds and the risk involved in this situation, your safest option is to ALWAYS run away, if there is movement in the grass. You might save your life or if there is no real threat, you just wasted some calories. No big deal compared to the risk involved.
When we are talking about the dangers that women in this society can pose to men, we are talking about real threats: Divorce, loss of lots of money, financial bankrupcy, mental breakdown (maybe even suicide), false rape accusations, slandering etc.. Or maybe it´s just messing with your head which might lead to depression or a lower quality of life.
If you take all those risks into account you have to ask yourself: What can I lose and is it worth it? The question is not so much if there really IS a tiger hiding in the bushes. The question is: What happens if there is a tiger.
Or to put it in the words of the famous philosopher Clint Eastwood:
I love these open ended questions. So here's one.
When did you realize that everything you were told about women was a lie? What was the event that caused you to realize that women didn't ever want good, respectable, decent men?
Grenade001 :
When I had to read up on PUA to try and understand women
phonebook :
Dating a Christian woman with the mistaken assumption that I would find a NAWALT in the Christian crowd. Boy was I wrong.
jso :
there was no sudden moment of realization. I questioned authority around the time I finished surviving my teenage years. I've never had any real life male role models or father figures of any kind. opposing female tyranny was just another piece of the puzzle, but it's a piece that came into focus when I started reading manosphere blogs.
mr.anonymous :
My story seems to be mentioned by other's experiences here.
I knew for a very long time something was very, very wrong.
While I approached life with an innocence and naiveté when I was young , I quickly sensed that it was a trait that would lead to severe consequences. Women didn't just dislike it, it invoked a primal rage within them I couldn't understand. The only thing similar I can equate it with it is how a rabid dog smells fear or weakness on a potential human victim. If it smells fear it goes straight into an enraged vicious state.
Well, if you approach a woman with altruistic ambitions, deep within her brain is this very same reaction.
I've experienced the ones from the churches. They were the most damaged and self centered. The most intolerant are the ones that consider themselves "Liberals or Progressives". Of course there were the ones that went through abuse. Then the spoiled ones that got their way because their fathers didn't have the slightest idea what to do with their insanity.... I've found some dewsies....
I guess it was actually watching my own female relatives, being the fly on the wall. Understanding that there was no trust whatsoever. If a man told them something in confidence, rest assured it could practically be on a billboard within minutes.
The Running Man :
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> When I had to read up on PUA to try and understand women
Same here. I was virtually 'gameless' throughout my twenties. Any success I had was more a result of my pretty face and reserved, shy behaviour which women mistook for arrogance and indifference (which is what they are ACTUALLY attracted to). When I started learning from (the good) PUAs and understanding female behaviour, I somehow liked them less and less. I still wanted to have sex and date them, but somehow my belief in romantic love and building a family disappeared along the way as I learned more and more about a woman's primitive nature and its ugly side. Modern young women were doing very little to hide it or control it so they made it very easy for me to disengage from the dating scene and walk away from the idea of marriage.
Grenade001 :
I'm still in my twenties and I can say that I am "gameless" to an extent. Most of what the PUA's talk about (not supplicating and generally keeping your dignity) I did naturally without a second thought. I think my "lack of game" would be a result of my highly logical thought processes and training to be an economist, one tries to create a formula that explains how and why a particular outcome occurs. When I tried to figure out an effective way to bed girls, it was an exhausting period in my life, luckily one that didn't involve too much pain. I genuinely believe that most people get laid by accident, I have seen couples where the two were completely mismatched looks wise, in a few cases the girl could have easily gotten much better (overseas of course), in most cases the guy should have had his man card revoked for being seen with a ham beast in public.
But the funny thing is that with certain types of girls in certain places, I don't need to "game" or do anything, just almost turn up and be myself. This happens overseas and with Chinese girls almost exclusively back home, lately since I've been growing my moustache I have been getting a lot more looks but nothing too substantial yet.
At home, I might as well be Mr. Invisible to the girls around here. Don't think I am too upset about this, basically equals to a zero stress life which allows me to enjoy life's pleasures as well as have the ability to put some solid hours of work into my job/uni/etc.
TL;DR. Going overseas and seeing feminine women, being brought up the hypergamy scale, is a turning point.
Ithit :
> When did you realize that everything you were told about women was a lie?
> What was the event that caused you to realize that women didn't ever want good, respectable, decent men?
There has been no such event. I know enough women that are fine human beings who got together with good men and treat them well to feel that "everything" is a lie. It may be the case that AWALT, and in my experience an uncomfortable majority most certainly are (which is why I go my own way). But all women? That's not my experience thus far. However, I most certainly recognize that society as a whole encourages AWALT, and I'm extremely cautious because of it.
I think it's important not to become so jaded by the red pill that one becomes a true misogynist. Healthy distrust is fine, but it shouldn't draw one into full scale hatred.
livas :
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> I knew for a very long time something was very, very wrong.
Exactly
>
> if you approach a woman with altruistic ambitions, deep within her brain is this very same reaction
Interesting point
>
> I know enough women that are fine human beings who got together with good men and treat them well...It may be the case that AWALT...
You missed the point!
It is not important whether awalt or not...
What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society are putting them on a "privileged pedestal"
I call it "The license to bitch & nag" which in the long run is far more deadlier than the one to kill
phonebook :
Man, the church women! The born-again ones are not very subtle, and neither are the "liberals/progressives". Those ones are relatively easy to avoid. But the ones who have practiced for a long time have put on the NAWALT mask on from day one. Either that, or it may be because their traditional upbringing may have kept their hypergamous instincts in check somewhat. But in either case, it's just a matter of extent of how AWALT they are. In the eyes of society, I'm seen as a potential beta provider, seeing as, I've had a trad religious upbringing as well, and did more or less what was expected of me. I'd imagine that the traditional women do look out for potential providers a little earlier than most other types of women. It is then easy for them to say "hey look I've been loyal to this guy from day one" in order to insinuate that she is supposedly a woman of moral quality. And they are always nice and sweet at first. I think on the old board, somebody once termed them "scouts".
In the events leading to our break-up, it was crazy how much it looked like my God-fearing ex hated me. She'd just look at me as though she thought I was the most pathetic person that ought to be wiped off the face of the planet. I detected something was very wrong, but I just kept doing the wrong thing and bought things for her, because I still had that idea in my head that she wasn't like that at all, that there really should not be any way she would hate me for all the things I've done for her. That there was no way she would give in to her more primitive and vicious side. She'd never say "I hate you", she'd just take her present without so much of a thank-you and run out the door, literally, giving some half-assed excuse about some urgent "church activity". Meanwhile I was sat there in the restaurant watching her run out, like a chump. Years later, she's pregnant with some thug. Pretty big turning point, huh?
I'm not really interested in women anymore. I don't see a point. As stardusk once termed it, I have "intellectually induced asexuality". This is how I look back at my innocence and naivete:
BeijaFlor :
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> It is not important whether awalt or not...
> What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society puts them on a "privileged pedestal."
Exactly so.
Let me put it a little more dramatically:
How many empty cylinders in the revolver would be enough to get you to agree to play Russian roulette?
(As far as I'm concerned, you could empty them ALL and I'm still going to say no.)
Every woman in the Western world, no matter how "civilized," no matter how sincere, no matter who she is or how she acts, has the guns of Government at her beck and call. Any of 'em CAN re-cast Saturday night's drunken spree, by way of Sunday's hung-over remorse, into Monday's rape charge. Any of 'em CAN "Oops" you into being her baby-daddy, and you are on the hook unless you can prove you weren't the daddy - and a DNA test requires her cooperation, at least to the extent of allowing YOUR doctor (matter of trust here) to take the cheek-swab sample. Any of 'em CAN get Hubby kicked out of house and home, by calling the "City's Finest" and saying, "I'm afraid of him." Any of 'em CAN hack off your willy in a fit of drunken rage, and the world will laugh at you on The Talk.
Not saying they will. Just saying they have the power, and the means, and the tacit approval of Society, if they do.
Matt Foley :
For me, it was after my ex-wife and I separated and I did a little online dating. Of the 5 women I went out with, every one of them claimed that their exes were abusive and/or drug addicts. By the end of the dates, it was clear that there was no mutual interest. I discovered MGTOW not too long after that.
I've considered learning some game and using it to get my needs met, but honestly, escorts seem to be way less of a hassle.
livas :
Ithit :
>
> You missed the point!
Then the point wasn't clear. I answered the question that was asked as I see it. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what the point was?
>
> It is not important whether awalt or not...
> What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society are putting them on a "privileged pedestal"
No offense, but that reminds me somewhat of the thought process behind the "all men are rapists" mantra.
Octavian :
>
> I love these open ended questions. So here's one.
> When did you realize that everything you were told about women was a lie?
> What was the event that caused you to realize that women didn't ever want good, respectable, decent men?
I met a latin girl, sharp as a tack. Had the whole package, and I figured with my experience in PUA in one of America's largest cities, I could handle her indefinitely with my superior intellect and skill.
Six months later, I was in a fight for my life. Understand that I've had to draw my gun in self defense before, and that horrible experience is nothing compared to the day to day psychological warfare a man must fight when he's with a woman. Every day had me questioning my sanity. Every hour with her was a power struggle. I felt like I was fighting an enemy I couldn't see, couldnt hit, and couldn't dodge. The scene with Morpheus where Agent Smith kicks his ass is a video summation of my last relationshackle. No matter how much I cared, how much I tried to see past the lies and the emotional bullshit, there she was-with an emotional fist waiting for my face. There was no rest, no recovery. Just constant war, and addictive sex.
After extricating myself from that disaster, I realized two things. One, my intel was WRONG. I was missing a very important piece of the puzzle, somewhere, and sought to find it. I then scoured academic and print literature for info on women, and discovered the second thing; after reading Esther Villar, "Sperm Wars", and other publications on the subject, I realized most women aren't even sentient . They're biological versions of a shell company laundering drug money. Lots of lights, shiny marble ,and polished glass-but its all bullshit hiding more bullshit. There's so much bullshit in a woman's life you'd need a team of Feds and a million dollar labor budget just to document one woman's lies, to herself and others.
That's when I realized where the exit signs were, and made an immediate use of them.
Ancient Sunlight :
>
> No offense, but that reminds me somewhat of the thought process behind the "all men are rapists" mantra.
Allow me to attempt to phrase it differently once more. You have your lovely NAWALT; a woman who appears to be a good human being, who fits you, who you enjoy being with. Now where are you going to go? Marriage is the almost inevitable answer. Meanwhile, every possible falsehood, delusion and confusion is fed to your NAWALT by the films she watches, the books she reads, the shows she watches, the news stories she reads, her friends and family, naive young men.. By nearly everyone, in fact. Perhaps she changes, as nearly all women do when they get married. Perhaps it'll end one day. And you are married - meaning you lose everything.
When you marry a woman you are almost literally betting your life; and the odds are not with you. It is holding a grenade and hoping it doesn't explode when you pull the pin; it is playing Russian roulette; it is a lottery with few prices.
BeijaFlor :
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> What is important however is the fact that all women could decide to act that way, because the state and society are putting them on a "privileged pedestal"
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> No offense, but that reminds me somewhat of the thought process behind the "all men are rapists" mantra.
I won't take offense at it, but I will point this out:
If you look at the actual crime statistics, you find that rape is rare (under 85,000 reported in the USA in 2012, according to FBI).
If you look at the actual divorce records, you find that divorce is depressingly common (about 2 million a year in the USA).
I don't say "AWALT" to shame women as a class. I say it to warn men, as individuals.
NOTE TO ALL: There's a reading list in the "MGTOW 101" sub-forum in The Lounge. Those of us who choose to expound the NAWALT dogma ... well, you might want to read some of those books.
juicemoney :
Here is my long-winded response to the OP's question:
After my last relationship I took stock of what everybody else suggested/commented/inserted their own bullshit opinion. The popular culture that pervades our society is full of subtle messages and opinions that can alter your decision making and values. None of this helped my personal situation or made me feel any better. I travelled quite a bit and started to read more. Finally, I stepped back and saw the same slow motion catastrophe I experienced occurring with a lot of other people. I had always been a skeptic but I finally accepted a simple truth: The vast majority of what you are told is not for your own benefit.
After a few late nights scouring the internet I "woke up" from this sociocultural haze of nonsense. It is especially difficult to take a macro view of the surroundings when I mingle with people my own age. The average mid 20s person today is a fucking idiot with little perspective outside of their own narcissistic existence. This can be applied to most people and that's when I realized that the majority of people don't have an informed opinion about anything but are more than happy to force their ignorant views down your throat.
I find this information is a lot more simple to understand and easier to digest when you apply simple economics as a context or framework. Dating, careers, education, finance and misandry make a lot more sense to me in terms of supply and demand. It is a cold way to view things but I have always been a logical and somewhat impersonal type with a dash of cynicism. The end of my last relationship awakened me not just from institutionalized misandry but from a lot of other BS I accepted from people and society. This point of view doesn't just apply to women; society has a vast array of institutions and resources in place to keep individuals as beta sheep and prevent them from reaching their own potential. It made me take stock of where I am versus where I want to be. As a whole our governments and money are corrupt, our values and morals have eroded and mediocrity has become mainstream. The Western Empire is on the decline, flawed views in the average woman is only one small indicator. Since the dawn of civilization man has sought to fulfill his greed and centralize power, why should things be so different now?
While I may sound condescending, I try to reserve judgement and not be a full on elitist. There is a lot of good to be found in some people once you can dig past all the bullshit. The problem is that society has made the bullshit matter. While difficult, I think that there can be a balance between full-bore elitism and being part of the sheeple.
History has shown that a contrarian point of view is often a key component of success; it seems that is the case especially when women or money are involved. Now I am finding it easier to figure out my own mission and vision in life; the last difficult leap is going from theory to practice.
GabrielKnight :
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> I think it's important not to become so jaded by the red pill that one becomes a true misogynist. Healthy distrust is fine, but it shouldn't draw one into full scale hatred.
I think that maybe you still don´t fully understand the effect our society has on most women. First of all, there is a sense of entitlement that the majority of women share. And while not all women share that sense of entitlement to the same extend, they all have that feeling that they "deserve" certain things, just because they are women. These can be very small things like for example a woman asking you to fix her laptop or carry something from the basement into her apartement and the border is very often blurred. But almost every woman, even the most mild-mannered and understanding and "man-loving" female will have that special something that she feels entitled to, just because she is a woman and you are the man. This can be a very different thing depending on the woman. Sharpen your senses and observe women very closely and you will find those little things in almost every woman.
Now, you could say "But maybe not EVERY woman has this sense of entitlement, no matter how minor it might be! Oh and you are just paranoid!" And maybe you are right about that. But think about this: Our ancestors lived in the wilderness where every movement of the grass and the leaves could mean that there is a predator stalking you. Now you have two options: Run away or ignore the movement because you can´t know for sure that there really is a predator. In the first case, if you run away and there is a predator, you have just saved your life. If there is no predator, you have just wasted some precious calories but you can balance that out later. At least you are alive to eat food. If you stay and there is no predator, that would be ideal because you didn´t waste energy. But if you stay and there is a predator, you are dead. When you think about the odds and the risk involved in this situation, your safest option is to ALWAYS run away, if there is movement in the grass. You might save your life or if there is no real threat, you just wasted some calories. No big deal compared to the risk involved.
When we are talking about the dangers that women in this society can pose to men, we are talking about real threats: Divorce, loss of lots of money, financial bankrupcy, mental breakdown (maybe even suicide), false rape accusations, slandering etc.. Or maybe it´s just messing with your head which might lead to depression or a lower quality of life.
If you take all those risks into account you have to ask yourself: What can I lose and is it worth it? The question is not so much if there really IS a tiger hiding in the bushes. The question is: What happens if there is a tiger.
Or to put it in the words of the famous philosopher Clint Eastwood:
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